Curse

Battle Torn · Dec 19, 2005, 08:47 AM // 08:47

Ok this is about partying in UW.

Everyone paid their due for entry then we start same as usual....everything going fine then all of a sudden you notice you aren’t getting healed as much (and being the tank this is a big problem). After everyone is killed you suddenly see that while you have been concentrating on the battle, the monk had p!ssed off and started farming!...no amount of requests of heal me were answered for anyone and I think this is dishonest and a waste of other peoples time. We all had no choice but to leave. IF YOU WANT TO SOLO FARM THEN PAY YOURSELF AND STOP WASTING THE GROUPS TIME AND MONEY YOU IDIOTS!!!

I lost a lot of good drops as well because of the last particular monk who did this and refused to heal anyone and I started to take names (which i think is really unfortunate and should be un-necessary) incase I have the misfortune to ever party with them again. Whats worse I think he actualy drew agro on us on purpose so we would die but I cant be sure.

This happened to anyonelse?

Antisocial · Dec 19, 2005, 08:49 AM // 08:49

All the time, thats why I'm mostly asking if i can a monks armor and to call their health, cant help it if he gots a 2nd set of armor though..

unienaule · Dec 19, 2005, 09:11 AM // 09:11

You could nearly eliminate the probem by never allowing Mo/W's in your group.

Hockster · Dec 19, 2005, 10:02 AM // 10:02

This has been happening for as long as solo monks have been farming UW. The newest version is a duo team agreeing to take a newb in to "learn" so long as the newb pays the fee. Guess who dies within 20 seconds?

The game is full of cheats and thieves. You need to approach virtually everyone as if they are just that.

Roza · Dec 19, 2005, 10:30 AM // 10:30

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Originally Posted by Hockster

The game is full of cheats and thieves. You need to approach virtually everyone as if they are just that.

No, you shouldn't in most cases (except when trading, of course), as that sort of player is a minority. The best thing to do about it: find a nice guild and play with them and with friends. And if you do find yourself teamed up with strangers and one of them does something like that, either shrug or take some screenshots and report him. I am sure this sort of behaviour is against the rules somehow and if most of your team does this (and other teams that fall victim to this sort of scam file reports on that monk too), he or she will likely be banned.

Numa Pompilius · Dec 19, 2005, 11:32 AM // 11:32

unienaule is right - just don't take Mo/W's. There's little reason for a healing monk to be Mo/W. Also getting them to call their health is a good idea.

Antisocial · Dec 19, 2005, 11:40 AM // 11:40

Well i can spam a fake message of health in like 2 seconds, or a '55 health monk' pretend to be afk and types slow..

That why u could ask to see their armor to check for sup runes, the only problem u have then is that if they have a 2nd armor set, you can't really detect it.

coolsti · Dec 19, 2005, 11:51 AM // 11:51

So this scam that these monks are pulling, it only works if they are Mo/W? That would be good to know, because then I won't take any unknown monks into a UW group that have W as second profession.

But I mostly do UW as trapper without any monks. However, on one of my first tours there, I joined a group led by a W/R. I was a UW newby so I didn't ask any questions, but the jerk asked for 250g entrance from the 5 others in the party! He basically was there for a free ride, as his low energy and lack of expertise didn't allow him to set many traps.

Hockster · Dec 19, 2005, 11:58 AM // 11:58

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Originally Posted by Roza

No, you shouldn't in most cases (except when trading, of course), as that sort of player is a minority. The best thing to do about it: find a nice guild and play with them and with friends. And if you do find yourself teamed up with strangers and one of them does something like that, either shrug or take some screenshots and report him. I am sure this sort of behaviour is against the rules somehow and if most of your team does this (and other teams that fall victim to this sort of scam file reports on that monk too), he or she will likely be banned.

I'm proud to say I'm in one of the best guilds in the game. But you can't always play with guildies.

If I took the time to screenshot and report every attempted scam, I'd never have time to actually play. Probably 50% of the trades I've been involved in end up with some sort of scam attempt. It's quite sad actually.

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Originally Posted by Numa

unienaule is right - just don't take Mo/W's. There's little reason for a healing monk to be Mo/W. Also getting them to call their health is a good idea.

I have an UW farm monk as well, and it's not a W secondary. 90% of the PvE heal/protect monks have W secondaries. It's almost impossible to find one that isn't. Most have 2 sets of armor as well, or at least the smart ones do.

unienaule · Dec 19, 2005, 11:59 AM // 11:59

Yes, 99% of soloers in the UW who try to mooch off you will be Mo/Ws. That's just the way it is. I'd be very suprised if you took a group of 2 Mo/Ws down and they actually healed.

Kabale · Dec 19, 2005, 12:07 PM // 12:07

My solo monk is a Mo/Me O.o

Arcane Echo ftw.

But seriously, there's no way to tell. Most solo monks do have two sets of armor.

Battle Torn · Dec 19, 2005, 12:10 PM // 12:10

next time I'll watch for this happening and before I die I'll run, then I'll just run a few mobs into him while he farms, watch him die and pick up his loot

we have to make it difficult for these people who are wasting our time and cash.

Vhayr · Dec 19, 2005, 12:37 PM // 12:37

I'm a Mo/W and...I'm either Healing or Protection when I go to the UW. I never get any invites anymore (most probably because of the whole Mo/W thing), but luckily my Guild always ask for me

. I think it's slightly unfair to think that ALL Mo/W's are 55hp Monks. Fine, I use that build in the Desert but not when I'm grouped with people. You could also say that every Mo/E is a 55hp Monk, since I often see the Augury bots with that particular class combo. Mo/Me is just as feasible.

erezsol · Dec 19, 2005, 01:05 PM // 13:05

Though I believe the story, I dont quite understand the purpose.

As a monk enters the UW for farming with 7 other played, the loot splits between the whole 8 players, even if they've all already died. Hence, that's not the greatest way to farm...

Vhayr · Dec 19, 2005, 01:07 PM // 13:07

erezsol, the idea is that they sneak off to the Smites whilst everyone else dies, then they just wait for the drops to become public.

Battle Torn · Dec 19, 2005, 01:20 PM // 13:20

yes... also they use the group to pay entry for them and not fork out themselves for a solo farm, wasting the rest of the groups time and money so thay can farm.....otherwise why not just go solo by themselves?

I think some M/Wo farners have difficulty with the ataxe's or whatever and use the group to clear a way so thay can farm smites of whatever it is they farm....I think it must be easier that way or something?

coolsti · Dec 19, 2005, 01:29 PM // 13:29

Yes, from reading other threads, I think that is the current situation. Anet did some tweaks which makes it difficult or impossible for a solo monk to get past the Axtes. Perhaps those low HP pop up creatures, what ever they are called, nightmares or something, that maybe remove all enchantments leaving a solo monk quite open for a beating.

This is a very good reason for Anet to seriously consider the kick party member button, which has been discussed extensively in other threads. Probably Anet would do this if there was a way for it not to be abused (also discussed heavily in those threads). Of course kicking the monk out of the party would make continuing impossible or extremely difficult, but at least the solo monk would not be able to benefit from the scam.

aron searle · Dec 19, 2005, 01:52 PM // 13:52

IT was funny when someone tried to do this in my team when i was the other monk.

He aggrod loads to get us killed, but luckily it was a good team and only 2 died (1 being him, hehe), we figured out what he did when we tried to res him and he died straight away, but we then proceded to clear out a chunk of the area and just left him dead, A team that works well together should be ok with only 1 monk in UW.

Navaros · Dec 19, 2005, 01:58 PM // 13:58

I always keep a close eyes on the monks right off the bat and if I see any of that nonsense going on I activate the first quest before anyone is ready for that, and everyone dies. They don't like that too much. Serves them right I say.

sirelricthemad · Dec 19, 2005, 02:30 PM // 14:30

As an Imonk farmer thats Mo/W most of the time, I feel its a little unfair to never allow Mo/W's into your party. Granted, it's understandable, but I just wish there was a way to see your party members skill bar or somesuch before leaving. Not only would it prevent this sort of thing happening again, but it would also help in co-ordinating groups in other aspects of the game, IE missions like Thirsty River etc where teamplay is essential (and would allow us to teach new players that frenzy is not exactly a wonderful skill to use all the time... :P) My monk is Mo/W most of the time for farm runs in UW, but sometimes I get sick of the monotony of soloing or 2-manning that I like to find a group. Needless to say that I've been rejected for quite a few already, even when I go and switch my secondary back to a mesmer or an ele. :P We aren't all bad evil scammers.

On a side note I've been on the receiving end of this scam as well. I ended up popping around districts and towns screaming that the scammer was giving out free sigils to the first person to PM him. I hope he got spammed.